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Hello,

Our 2014 Santa Fe 2.2D Premium has a few issues:
  1. ABS kicks in at low speed with minimal pedal pressure. This has been looked at by three mechanics and none of them have any idea what is wrong.
  2. Cruise control doesn't work.
  3. AWD system doesn't appear to work. Recently parked the car with the front left wheel on a muddy grass verge and when trying to pull away that wheel just spun in the mud, even after pressing the diff lock button.
I am wondering if all of the above problems could be related, possibly to a faulty wheel speed sensor but the car was checked today with diagnostic equipment by our local mechanic, no fault found.

Does anyone have suggestions of what could be wrong here or what I should look at, or ask our local mechanic to look at?

Thanks

Mark
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Are you sure its the ABS and not wrapped rotors? Just wondering.

(Just read the rest of the post)

It does sound like something electronic has gone off... Have you had the dealer look? It might be something a local mechanic might not be able to diagnose... just a suggestion.
@Thormaxx1234, to give a bit more context I should probably have given to begin with...
When we got the car two years ago, there was pretty severe brake judder so the front discs and pads were replaced under warranty. The reason I think there is something wrong with the ABS is that the pedal vibrates as it does when the ABS is working as it should under heavy braking and loss of grip, the problem is that the pedal vibrates under light pressure and low speed (almost stopped). One thing I haven't established is whether the traction control system works.
The entire electric parking brake system and rear brakes were replaced last year after the EPB had refused to release three times over 18 months, that was £2700 at the dealer, they replaced the brake fluid at the time but this ABS fault started before that. The dealer has suggested replacing the ABS control unit which would cost another £2000 but they aren't sure if that will fix the problem.
Now it looks like the 4wd system doesn't work, even with the diff lock button pressed (the light on the dash comes on to indicate it's active), a video I found suggests this failure could be due to stripped splines where in the transfer box, according to that video the repair was about $4000 in New Zealand and is apparently a fairly common problem.
Our usual mechanic checked the wheel speed sensors a few days ago and declared them working.
We paid £10500 for the car (with 75k miles on it), it would probably be an insurance write-off if it needed this much spending on repairs after an accident!
We like the car, it's spacious and comfortable and would probably go on for a while if we could fix all this, but I'm wondering if we should cut our losses and get rid.
I have called a couple of "4x4 specialists" but they said they only really deal with Land Rover.
Any ideas or advice will be appreciated,.

Thanks

Mark
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I am no expert… but it sounds like a stack of issues…and maybe time to cut the cord. 8 wish i could provide more help here.
Have a close look at your ABS Tone rings. They can crack/break when corrosion builds up under them and then cause erratic ABS behaviour.

Adam.
I keep coming back to the idea that all of these problems are caused by a fault with one or more of the speed sensors, despite our local mechanic saying that all four appear to be ok.
I'm ok with doing some basic jobs on the car so I'd like to have a go at checking the sensors, are they easy to get at once the wheel has been removed or is it not as simple as that?

Thanks

Mark
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Today I removed both front wheels and ABS speed sensors and had a look down the hole in each hub (I rotated each hub to check the whole ring)
Here's the LH
Automotive tire Wood Gas Automotive wheel system Font

And here's the RH :unsure:
Wood Automotive tire Gas Trunk Close-up

I think I may have found the problem with the ABS.
If I'm correct that those rings go on the drive shaft I assume the hubs will need to come off so I may have to get my friendly local mechanic to do that for me, I would hope the cost will be similar to that of a CV boot change. Might ask him to change the sensors too while he's at it.
It will be interesting to see what effect it has on the cruise control and 4WD...

Mark
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You found it! i wouldn't mess with the sensors. Those rings are what the sensors read. It will have everything to do with ABS operation as it wont be getting accurate readings on that wheel.

Now you should have two options for repair. Either way the cv axle will need to be removed from the hub.

First, and cheaper option, is just replace the ring. But its very important to completly sand off all that rust and apply a thin layer of grease or antisieze before attempting to install the new ring.

Second option of course is replace that whole axle, they come with new rings.

A suggestion would be to check the rear two tone rings just to make sure they are ok as well.

Good work. And keep us posted on how you make out.


Adam
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You found it! i wouldn't mess with the sensors. Those rings are what the sensors read. It will have everything to do with ABS operation as it wont be getting accurate readings on that wheel.

Now you should have two options for repair. Either way the cv axle will need to be removed from the hub.

First, and cheaper option, is just replace the ring. But its very important to completly sand off all that rust and apply a thin layer of grease or antisieze before attempting to install the new ring.

Second option of course is replace that whole axle, they come with new rings.

A suggestion would be to check the rear two tone rings just to make sure they are ok as well.

Good work. And keep us posted on how you make out.


Adam
I figured there would be some on the rear too, a job for next weekend now I think, unless I can do it one evening after work. I may try and get hold of a better jack too, I have two small trolley jacks but as they were purchased for smaller cars neither goes high enough for the Santa Fe and the scissor jack that comes with the car is a pain for anything other than emergencies.
It looks like I could just replace the outer CV joints instead of the entire drive shafts, that will be cheaper and they also come with the rings pre installed.
Would you recommend I do this myself? The most I have done previously is disc and pad swaps, never had to remove hubs. I can get hold of a suitable torque wrench for the nut in the centre, would I be correct in thinking the right hand side has a left hand thread?

Thanks

Mark
It's been a while but I have an update to this. The tone rings have been replaced and the brakes are now behaving, the cruise control works too. Haven't had chance to see if the 4wd system works yet but day to day driving is very much improved, my wife said it's like a different car! The cost was £250, much less than what the Hyundai dealer wanted to change the ABS control unit to see if that works. Thanks for the advice and pointers, hopefully we'll stop hating the car now, if only we could get it to be a bit more economical...
It's been a while but I have an update to this. The tone rings have been replaced and the brakes are now behaving, the cruise control works too. Haven't had chance to see if the 4wd system works yet but day to day driving is very much improved, my wife said it's like a different car!
The cost was £250, much less than what the Hyundai dealer wanted to change the ABS control unit to see if that works.
Thanks for the advice and pointers, hopefully we'll stop hating the car now, if only we could get it to be a bit more economical...

oops, double post! Would have deleted if I knew how
Thats really Good news! I hope you enjoy your vehicle as well. I am at 204k miles now on my 2010 3.5 awd. Have had very few issues, none of wich i iwould say were not just due to age and wear. Still on many original parts including starter, alternator, transmission and AWD coupling. Still runs and drives like a much younger vehicle.

Take care!

Adam.
I am no expert… but it sounds like a stack of issues…and maybe time to cut the cord. 8 wish i could provide more help here.
I agree with Thormaxx here. It sounds like you’re spending more on the car than it’s worth. Start looking for a newer used car or low priced ( does that even exist?). I would plan on last rites for your ‘14 SF!
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