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Bow and Stern tie down points for transporting a Kayak

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Hello all..

So I just installed a Thule Rack system for my kayaks last weekend on my 23 Hybrid... but I am at a loss where I can run the tie downs at the bow or stern.

The main problem is the BOW as the tie down system I used on the old car (nylon woven straps secured by fender bolts under the hood):

But these don't seem to work as the bolts in the 2023 model are just long enough to be tightened, but will not allow the extra couple millimeters from the grommet on the strap. I looked under the front bumper and all I see it AERO shielding - so no real tie down points there, but I do see a place for the tow hook installed on the passenger side of the bumper, however I REALLY would like to avoid using the tow hook for this.

For the stern... I might be able to use this liftgate loop set:


I had this on the the old car where the strap loops are on a rubber log that sits just inside the liftgate opening, but the strap loop hangs outside the liftgate to allow me to hook the stern tie down through. My only concern with this system is that it might cause the power liftgate to auto reverse. I have to try and see if it will work.

Any suggestions? Not sure if the setup under the hood of the non hybrid is different than mine...
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Hello all..

So I just installed a Thule Rack system for my kayaks last weekend on my 23 Hybrid... but I am at a loss where I can run the tie downs at the bow or stern.

The main problem is the BOW as the tie down system I used on the old car (nylon woven straps secured by fender bolts under the hood):
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But these don't seem to work as the bolts in the 2023 model are just long enough to be tightened, but will not allow the extra couple millimeters from the grommet on the strap. I looked under the front bumper and all I see it AERO shielding - so no real tie down points there, but I do see a place for the tow hook installed on the passenger side of the bumper, however I REALLY would like to avoid using the tow hook for this.

For the stern... I might be able to use this liftgate loop set:
View attachment 2707

I had this on the the old car where the strap loops are on a rubber log that sits just inside the liftgate opening, but the strap loop hangs outside the liftgate to allow me to hook the stern tie down through. My only concern with this system is that it might cause the power liftgate to auto reverse. I have to try and see if it will work.

Any suggestions? Not sure if the setup under the hood of the non hybrid is different than mine...
Just curious, I know you can buy the cross bars for the Hyundai. I wonder if you can purchase tie down hooks that can also be attached to the rails ( Hyundai parts maybe.)?
Just curious, I know you can buy the cross bars for the Hyundai. I wonder if you can purchase tie down hooks that can also be attached to the rails ( Hyundai parts maybe.)?
The kit comes with all the straps required... it is just locating a place to strap them down that is difficult. I might have found a spot under the hood but I am not sure if it is interfering with the hood closing. Seems harder to close than it should...there is not a lot of tolerance around the plastics under the hood and the hood itself.
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Don't you have the roof cross bars? I'd just strap them to the bars. Or wherever you have on the roof as cross bars. You don't have them over the moon-roof, do you? A picture of your setup would help :).
I am following this too as I’m on the verge of buying recreational kayaks.

thormaxx1234….did you buy the Hyundai cross bars ….there are two types….which did you purchase? I’m assuming the Thule racks mount on the cross bars.

also what length are your kayaks? 10 or 12 feet or longer? I believe 10 foot recreational kayaks don’t necessarily need bow and stern straps with j racks but I was thinking about your dilemma with the hood strap too, It’s awfully tight and I too would be afraid of warping my hood. (Or rubbing the paint)

EDIT update. I looked under the front end. There are zero attachment points for a rope. It’s all cosmetic cowling and rope would just squish it. Hood straps will not work at the front but what about the side of the hood? Bow and stern lines are only there to deter the kayak from becoming a projectile in an accident.
did you buy the Hyundai cross bars ….there are two types
Vehicles with pano roof require the taller ones, so you cannot go wrong with those. If you buy the shorter ones, they only fit lower trims without pano roofs.
Vehicles with pano roof require the taller ones, so you cannot go wrong with those. If you buy the shorter ones, they only fit lower trims without pano roofs.
soooooo….which one? The j racks may fit both and the difference between seems to be curve vs straight for cross rails.
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soooooo….which one? The j racks may fit both and the difference between seems to be curve vs straight for cross rails.
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So we went with a Thule setup With the Evo wingbars. the setup is a tad complex as you have to buy three components. A fit kit made for you model, podiums that hold the bars and the bars themselves. So that would be similar to the first photo. The second photo is a similar rack and would work well too… the advantage to the first is being able to use the t track built in for thule accessories. However the second rack works with clamp on accessories like j racks for kayaks.

Don't you have the roof cross bars? I'd just strap them to the bars. Or wherever you have on the roof as cross bars. You don't have them over the moon-roof, do you? A picture of your setup would help :).
cross bars can be used solo with pads but you still need front and rear tie downs for long distance driving. Originally we have use this system in the past, but about 6 years ago we started using j cradle racks, which are specifically designed for holding kayaks more vertical on the roof. With these racks, you need center straps, but front and rear tie downs are a must for long drives to the water. These help eliminate upward lift in higher winds and forward shift in sudden brake situations. For trips close ( a couple km's) you can generally get away with just the center straps.
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Vehicles with pano roof require the taller ones, so you cannot go wrong with those. If you buy the shorter ones, they only fit lower trims without pano roofs.
Actually both are compatible with Pano Roofs I beleive. The black one is must taller than the last gen model Hyundai used to sell.
also what length are your kayaks? 10 or 12 feet or longer? I believe 10 foot recreational kayaks don’t necessarily need bow and stern straps with j racks but I was thinking about your dilemma with the hood strap too, It’s awfully tight and I too would be afraid of warping my hood. (Or rubbing the paint)

EDIT update. I looked under the front end. There are zero attachment points for a rope. It’s all cosmetic cowling and rope would just squish it. Hood straps will not work at the front but what about the side of the hood? Bow and stern lines are only there to deter the kayak from becoming a projectile in an accident.
so we have a pair of Wilderness Systems Pungo 120's. These are 12 foot recreational kayaks designed around comfort and mpre suitable for flat water. The seat is really comfy for long paddles.

for front tie downs, ithink the under hood straps will work as i found a set of bolts that are not recessed in the plastic. The are closer to the front of the hood, but the straps stick out about 2 inches on the side just over the DRL module. Will try that out, but npticed the hood goves a bit more resistance when closing. Gap tolerance under the hood seems fairly tight as it is… so hopefully a few extra mm with these straps wont cause any issues.
soooooo….which one? The j racks may fit both and the difference between seems to be curve vs straight for cross rails.
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Thule also sells a basic square bar rack that accommodates clamp on accessories…. Go to the Thule site and you can have their fit assistant show what works. Btw, the silver rack you show here is a Thule but sold through Hyundai dealers.
soooooo….which one?
My pano-roof equipped Calligraphy came from the factory (port-installed, I believe) with the right ones, which reminds me I need to sell them, because will never use them (removed them since day 1). And they make noise at highway speeds too. Not too bad, but I was happy not to have additional noise right above my ears when I removed them. Hope this helps.
Can also use the old fashioned method of rolling down the windows and hold on to it for dear life😳🤪😜!
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so we have a pair of Wilderness Systems Pungo 120's. These are 12 foot recreational kayaks designed around comfort and mpre suitable for flat water. The seat is really comfy for long paddles.

for front tie downs, ithink the under hood straps will work as i found a set of bolts that are not recessed in the plastic. The are closer to the front of the hood, but the straps stick out about 2 inches on the side just over the DRL module. Will try that out, but npticed the hood goves a bit more resistance when closing. Gap tolerance under the hood seems fairly tight as it is… so hopefully a few extra mm with these straps wont cause any issues.
This will work just fine for you. Can be used easily both sides of the hood and in liftgate area.

I was out at western canoe and kayak (big retailer out here in bc) and the avid staff kayakers all swear by them. They call them paint savers. He showed me 4 or 5 staff cars in the parking lot....all had them.






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